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The Special Election to pass a 9.5 mil levy had failed and neither side has won in this battle.

First, a continous levy never comes off the books and with our economy moving the way it is we are going to have a hard time meeting the taxes that are yet to come.

Social Security will be in dire straights because in the next ten years the last of the Baby Boomers will have pretty much entered retirement if the govenment doesn't increase retirement to 75.

But in reality, I think the next ten years will begin to strain the system for the work force is being reduced to levels we have not seen for some time. Will inflation go up? Most likely. Will fuel prices go up? Most likely. Will property values drop all over the nation? Most likely. But we can survive hopefully but change has to be msde to make that happen.

The burden our current generation under the age of 50 will begin to be taxed to help support the Social Security system. The families of 5 to 10 children back in the 60's and 70's are now an average of 2 or maybe 3. The workforce is shrinking and with unemployment adding to the problem a levy of 9.5 mils was and still a litle hard to swallow for most.

I don't think the levy failure will entice people to move from the district for the housing market is at an all time low, their home is worth less than what they paid for it, and how long will it take to sell that house. I recall someone moving for the same reason. Isn't financially feasible or sensible to go on.

I believe a sensible approach would be to interject an emergency levy that would be at a much lower mils. We have to be cautious to what lies in our future pertaining to the economy and make concessions in up and coming contracts.

The Board will have to review the contract for the teachers union and study where changes can be made to lessen the burden on the community and place more responsiblity on the Administration and Staff to contribute to their district. Many companies are increasing the employee share for their health and medical and I see no reason the district should not follow suit.

Times are hard for everyone but if concessions are not made, and outsourcing eliminated and performing the same mission with our current Staff and Administration reductions must occur and not only those who have been released will suffer but the students themselves.

We have to start delivering technology, textbooks, work books, white boards the size of a current black board and connected to a computer and controlled by the teachers hands to present a course by the flick of their hand.

We need to provide essential tools and materials in the arts, and the levy would not have truly provided this in the amount we currently need.

The levy would have provided $3.4 million for Salaries and Benefits and it would most likely mean that starting now and for the next five years we would use $3.4 million for Salaries and Benefits. Think of this. It will jump that much in the next 3-5 years?

Now what will the students receive from this? What equipment will they receive? What would we be able to afford? Has anyone or does anyone know what we would use the remainder of the $4,011,000.00? The remainder is $611,000.00 by the way. What will the be able to provide for the students with the remaining $611,000.00.

Busing will come back. But when? Has any one said? I seem to have missed it at some point.

What will the remainder be used for and it would be nice if it wasn't generalized, or speculated or transfered to a differnt account fund?

Our focus may be in the wrong direction by placing such a heavy burden on a community that is yet uncertain of where our economy is heading. A more resonable approach needs to be introduced that we as a community can sustain at this time. And the purpose should be defined mor clearly as to where the funds will be distributed.

We should have the opportunity to know where our funding to the district is going and this would thus provide the transparency the district informed us they were doing. I have seen in print the Superintendent indicated 85% was for Salaries and Benefits.

We need a solution and I believe the district needs to find a way aroud this.

Continous levies remove our vote on that levy in the future. It will also bring burden on the future generation in ways of taxes they may not be able to afford to buy a home. We do not need more vacant buildings in our community. We need to begin to support our community so that the community will be able to afford the taxes to support the district. Concessions by the Administrative Staff and the Teaching Staff need to be addressed to make this a reality. For that is the reality.

Martin Fleming






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17.
    Posted by whizzard1 February 15, 2010
MsMetz,

I emailed the Treasurer on Friday asking him to clarify that. I have yet to receive his response.

He will repond, he is a good man and has always responded to any email that I have sent him. I have faith in him. Eventually and usually within a week I receive his response.

When he responds I will post it here.

And it acutally sounded as if he said that they directed the funds from PI to general funds. That is why I emailed him to make sure I heard what I thought I heard.

My post postulated on that but I did not say they actually have done it yet. That is how I interpreted during the meeting and that is why I emailed him to clarify that. I will wait for Mr. Barnes reply.

Martin Fleming

16.
    Posted by Steve Cain February 14, 2010
Actually what Mr. Barnes said was that some purchases that had been made from the General Fund that qualified as Permanent Improvements were redirected from those account. I listened very carefully I guess you should also.

But that was not what I was talking about, you insinuated that the Treasurer could manipulate the millage and I quote

"This means that even though we approved the PI to receive 1.6 mils of that levy, the Board without have to go to the public to do it, could reduce the PI to 1.0 if they wanted and transfer the .6 to the General Fund"

Do you have any evidence that they have done this? I do grasp the conditions that were set forth but the fact that the language allows it does not mean any wrong doing has taken place and this administration had nothing to do with the language of that levy.

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    Posted by whizzard1 February 14, 2010
Msmetz,

I have not started spreading unsubstantiated rumors. Mr. Barnes indicated some funds were pulled from PI to be utilized in the Operating Expenses (General Fund). He said that during his presentation but I guess you didn't catch that. He said that in one sentence but I guess you didn't catch that. This is why you really have to hang on every word that comes from them. I know the fellow that I was sitting with caught it at the same time as I did. I know these meetings are boring but you have to force yourself to pay attention to what they are saying. So since Mr. Barnes said it, I guess he is the one who started the rumor. Better tell him about not doing that.

Second, pulling the funds from PI was not improperly done and that is where YOU are confused or misinformed. In addition, you, not me would have to supply documentation to refute what I have stated before you indicate it was a rumor.

It is obvious at this point that you did not really grasp the conditions set forth in the 2007 levy. It was an apportioned levy. The levy was to provide funds for both Operating Expenses (General Fund) and PI. Within the wording of that levy (and you can look up the RC that it was written under), if provided the District to shift funds from PI to General Fund or from the General Fund to PI without voter or taxpayer need for approval. I never stated they were doing anything improperly. They are just exercising their options under the 2007. According to the law, they did not nothing improperly according to that levy.

The problem with the operating levy is that, as stated by the superintendent, 85% will be used for Salaries and Benefits. That was a quote in the Record Courier. That is not a rumor. Sorry.

Our current method of educating children is nothing but a endless journey that will bring to the table more and more levies. Even if the 9.5 mil levy passed, they would return in another couple of years for a levy for something else. There is no pressure for them to budget and they believe the taxpayer has deep pockets to help fund this.

This has been a problem with funding for a very long time. The huge profits are being experienced by huge corportations while the smaller companies are beginning to fold and the unemployed workforce is increasing at an alarming rate. They may report unemployement at 10% when it reality it is actually closer to 25% if you include those who no longer report. They are not reporting because they found a job, they are not reporting because they will not receive anything for it.

No, you will not see a Yes sign in my yard unless the levy is geared more towards Tools, Materials, Supplies, Safety and Technology. I hope other residents and tax payers begin to realize that we are in an endless loop that will go on forever unless we make dramatic changes and reform education.

Yes, I do realize it is an operating levy and I do realize that 85% of it will go to Salaries and Benefits. However, if the world was perfect and the levy (at 9.5 mils), would have brought in $4,011,000 as it was supposed to, even then, only $640,000 would be divided up for everything other than salaries and benefits. Less than 4% of the total budget now is used for Tools, Materials, Technology and Maintenance.

The mentality of "That's the way we always have done it" is no longer accepted in today's world and economy. We need change and we need it before we even consider passing a new levy.

I want to know more of how we are going to spend the funds and not just take their word for it. You may accept that but it is that way of thinking that got us into this entire mess to begin with and it is time we as Taxpayers make the system truly accountable for what they are doing with our funds.

I guess you have the same trust in our Government for spending funds and will vote for anything they throw at you there too.

Provide documentation and proof and show us where we can get it if you can't.

I did.

If you didn't get this information I posted before here are two links you should look at:

http://www.whizzards.net/levies/summary.html

http://www.whizzards.net/levies/Admin.html

Have you ever seen those before? Did you study them and ask the district treasurer about them?


Martin Fleming

14.
    Posted by Steve Cain February 14, 2010
Sorry, hit the wrong key. As stated at the Board Meeting it is an operating levy and will be used to pay operating expenses. That includes utilities, supplies, fuel etc.. and yes it does include salaries and benefits.

The administrators have voluntarily taken a wage freeze because they recognize the state of the economy, let's hope that the unions do the same. The Board has done as the public requested and reduced the millage as much as possible and made the levy for a limited term.

I hope that we will see a vote yes sign in your yard this time although I seriously doubt it.

You have already started spreading unsubstantiated rumors by making your statement about manipulating the PI levy amount. If you think something has been done improperly gather your evidence first then present it.

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    Posted by Steve Cain February 14, 2010
As stated at

12.
    Posted by whizzard1 February 14, 2010
Bear in mind that we should vote for a levy just because it is a lower amount and different is structure. We should look at what the levy funds will be used for and how it is worded.

The levy of 2007 was an apportioned levy that was going to provide funds for both the General Fund and the Permanent Improvement Fund. The levy was written that permitted the Board, without voter approval, to ajust the mil rate between the General and PI fund. This means that even though we approved the PI to receive 1.6 mils of that levy, the Board without have to go to the public to do it, could reduce the PI to 1.0 if they wanted and transfer the .6 to the General Fund. Heck the way it was designed they could technically reduce the PI to absolute zero and transfer all of it to the General Fund.

I have a feeling they executed on that ability. I will have to contact the Treasurer to confirm.

It is not necessarily the mil rate but the contents and interpretation of the wording of the levy that we should be concerned about.

We need a clear understanding of what the levy is going to do and where they will really use the funds.

Would you give your child or relative a blank check with your signature to do with what they wish at any amount?

Be careful of what we are voting for and whether or not that it will really make a differnce for the students.

Martin Fleming

11.
    Posted by CSO87 February 11, 2010
What if the district put on a levy to replace the one that expires this year with a few more mills attached for 5 years? Would anyone out there support that? Emergency levies don't work for Streetsboro. If Streetsboro never got into the emergency levy rut many years ago, the schools would be in better shape. I would support the levy I mentioned above if the staff took a pay freeze.

10.
    Posted by Mr. Destiny February 8, 2010
#9 post is the key to understanding all the madness. Hopefully knowledge of this decades of collusion will come to light and the taxpayer will understand that the the school administrators have personal agendas and ties to the teachers and service providers unions that drive thier decision making. It has certainly been proven that they cloak this in the spin of "doing what is right for the children".

Thank you shagbark for a good post.

9.
    Posted by shagbark February 8, 2010
Just came across and interesting article: "Public-sector Unions Bleed Taxpayers to Help Dems" at

http://townhall.com/columnists/MichaelBarone/2010/02/08/public-sector_unions_bleed_taxpayers_to_help_dems

Now I don't know about the "helping Dems" part, but I do know Michael Barone is one of the smartest men around the Washington scene.

In this article, 2 quotes caught my attention:

"Adversarial unionism tends to produce rigid work rules that retard adaptation and innovation"

and

"Public-sector unionism is a very different animal from private-sector unionism. It is not adversarial but collusive. Public-sector unions strive to elect their management, which in turn can extract money from taxpayers to increase wages and benefits -- and can promise pensions that future taxpayers will have to fund."

This seems to be what is happening in Streetsboro (and many other school districts), no adaptation and innovation and collusive management/union relationships...

8.
    Posted by whizzard1 February 7, 2010
Someone had asked once before to give examples of schools that have gone digital.

One only needs to go to Google and type in: Digital Public Schools and see what turns up.

Go through a few of those links. I guess you can even go to Bing if you want.

You can also read through this site: http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ654084&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ654084

Since there are those who are skeptical, the above site and the ones you read about through the Google site should give you quite a bit of knowledge on the subject.

Quite an interesting subject to read about.

Martin Fleming

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